Crown and Covenant Academy

Tuesday, January 30, 2007

Advertisement Analysis

For next week, find five advertisements and bring them to class. (You can look online or in magazines. If you do not have any magazines at home, you can make copies at the public library.) Try to find a variety of ads-those picturing people, objects, landscapes.

Discuss the following questions here on the blog:
1. Can you recall an advertisement that influenced to you buy a product? Describe how the advertisement influenced you and whether you decided to buy the product.
2. Look at the five advertisements you have chosen. Who is the intended audience for these advertisements (a clue to this might be the publication in which you found the advertisement—think of who reads that magazine)? What values are represented in the ad? What about the ad gives you a clue about the values?

posted by Meg @ 7:16 PM  

104 Comments:

  • At 5:47 AM, Blogger Lemony Snicket said…

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  • At 5:52 AM, Blogger HeatherKessler said…

    Hey guys I have officially joined the group!! Another debater has come

     

  • At 7:07 AM, Blogger Gabriella Reed said…

    look out guys!!! here comes your competition!!!!-hehehehehe- and you deserve it!

     

  • At 7:09 AM, Blogger Gabriella Reed said…

    aah! heather you should've done just "heather" and then we could've gotten them all confused! that'd be a hunk of fun!-lol-

     

  • At 7:45 AM, Blogger HeatherKessler said…

    Yeah ohhh well...

     

  • At 9:58 AM, Blogger Lemony Snicket said…

    Debater? Aff. or Neg. your choice.

    (If you don't understand the statement above, you aren't a debater).

    Sam

    PS. I don't think I've ever bought something because of an advertizment.

     

  • At 2:06 PM, Blogger Gabriella Reed said…

    well, when you say that does it include sales??? because yes if so, otherwise i just don't buy much-lol-

    Miss Glenn

     

  • At 2:47 PM, Blogger Oee said…

    Well I have to admit that I have gotten somthing because of an add. But it was 80% off and I really needed it any way so it was a fantastic deal.
    Absalutly great.
    I got some sweaters for only 4 and 6 dollors in was great.

     

  • At 6:32 PM, Blogger HeatherKessler said…

    My Mom got me some things because of ads. but I needed them anyway. Sam I have a guess on what you meant
    Aff. sometheing like positive
    Neg. negative

     

  • At 6:43 PM, Blogger HeatherKessler said…

    I have been reading some of your older things and I agree with Sam and Andrew on the Italian thing.

     

  • At 7:47 PM, Blogger Gabriella Reed said…

    hmmmmm.... i was thinking aff. meant something like "affimative" and neg. like "negative". so i've got the same conclusions as heather... we should say Beth and Margaret. its more distinguishable than "heather k" and "heather" or "heather g"

    terrible, terrible, terrible! how could you chose one food over another when it all goes down the same tube and is digested in the same place and there's no such thing as "taste buds" there? i just think that whole conversation is pathetic, so i'm not gonna say another word on the subject. nope, zip, nada, zin, and zilch. absolutely nothing more!

    so i'll ttyl, cya, lylas, lylab, ttfn,.... etc...

    Beth

     

  • At 6:22 AM, Blogger Gabriella Reed said…

    i have my ads! okay, now we don't have write down the answers to these questions, right?

     

  • At 7:19 AM, Blogger HeatherKessler said…

    Do any of you guys remember what verse you wanted (or suggested) me to use for my essay about working hard.

     

  • At 11:24 AM, Blogger Lemony Snicket said…

    I don't think so.

    Dan

    PS. Sam and Andrew's arguments for Italian food are bunk anyway. For Andrew's main argument--Italian food does have a lot of good stuff, but he hasn't proved that that good stuff is better than everything else. It's like going on about the benefits of a 1950's tractor when a modern John Deere is much better. As for Sam's argument--just because the ingredients are good doesn't mean that the product is good.

    So basically, you can't prove that any food is the best in the world, unless it beats every food by nutrition, craftsmanship, economy, and the like. And you probably won't be able to find all that out in your lifetime.

     

  • At 7:30 AM, Blogger Gabriella Reed said…

    uuuummmm... o yes! "do everything without grumbling and complaining..." this is all I can remember of the verse- sorry!

    Heather Glenn

     

  • At 10:32 AM, Blogger HeatherKessler said…

    ohhhh ok. you just made me think of a song with grumbling and comlaining in it. all well now I need to go find that verse.

     

  • At 3:55 PM, Blogger Gabriella Reed said…

    hello?????? anyone there???

     

  • At 11:25 AM, Blogger HeatherKessler said…

    Well I'm here.

     

  • At 7:45 PM, Blogger Gabriella Reed said…

    COLTS WON THE SUPERBOWL!!!!!!!! WOOOOHOOOO!!!!! O YEAH!!!!!! ROCK ON!!!!!! I NEVER THOUGHT I'D LIVE TO SEE THIS DAY!!!!!!!!

    ...okay, i'm calm again- i'm just SO excited!!!!

    your very calm friend,

    H.H.

    P.S. is sam, daniel, and oee still here?

     

  • At 8:09 PM, Blogger HeatherKessler said…

    YESSS COLTS it was great, wonderful, terrific!!!!!!!! 29 17 Bears are terrible. Shouldn't even be in the same league as the Colts. COLTS WON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

     

  • At 5:33 AM, Blogger Lemony Snicket said…

    You guys are ruining my week. BEARS WILL COME BACK!!! JUST WAIT TILL NEXT YEAR!!! HA HA HA HAAAA!! DOWN WITH THE COLTS!!!

    probably about as calm as Heather,

    Sam

     

  • At 7:17 AM, Blogger HeatherKessler said…

    The Bears are horrible!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    not even in the same legue with the Colts!!!! did you even look at the stats. last night!!! The Colts were way better than the Bears statistically. So your little dream will not happen for a long time!!!!!!!
    So get used to it!!!!
    I'm Right,
    Heather

     

  • At 7:30 AM, Blogger Lemony Snicket said…

    Well, what Sam thinks is that it would be more interesting to see how you guys would react if the Colts lost.

    Dan

    PS. I have a friend from church who likes the Patriots.

     

  • At 7:45 AM, Blogger HeatherKessler said…

    First of all the Bears didn't win and we are happy. And who's this friend from church?

     

  • At 9:06 AM, Blogger Oee said…

    I think it's kind of a bummer that the colts won.
    It's just beyond me why people would pay that much mony just to watch people get fame and a lot of mony just for playing a game for a couple of hours.
    They're doing nothing for the community except for making people lazy, fat, and drunk.

     

  • At 9:07 AM, Blogger Oee said…

    Sorry people if I offended anyone but I just had to put out my oppinion.

     

  • At 10:42 AM, Blogger HeatherKessler said…

    Oee I agree with you in one since, but in the other since for the people who can watch the games at home and have fun without overdoing it it can be a lot of fun and fellowship together. I also agree that pur country does go way overboard.That is my imput
    Heather

     

  • At 10:44 AM, Blogger HeatherKessler said…

    I don't agree with you that it is a bummer they won. Because the same thing would have happened if the Bears had won, actually i'm quite happy the Colts won instead of the Bears.

     

  • At 1:09 PM, Blogger Gabriella Reed said…

    i would like an oncore from Heather K!!!!! i totally agree with heather and I think that sam is WAY wrong. did you notice that Peyton Manning got MVP of the year? and did you hear how coach Tony Dungee handled the racist questions? i was so excited all night! and like i said earlier, i totally and completely agree with heather. i really think you just hit the nail on the head there!

    o yea, and oee. like heather, i agree that its kinda stupid cheering someone on who gets paid more than a hard working employee and who gets a cadillac convertible after the game when he probably already has 2 at home. but i don't agree that the results of the game are all hang-overs and getting lazy and fat. we watch the game with other people because we like to spend time with each other. sure, we lose our voice after the game, but we all have fun together. and i don't think we're the only ones who do that. sry oee, but i can't completely agree with you on this one.

    Heather G.

    P.S. besides, half the fun of the superbowl is watching the commercials!-lol-

     

  • At 1:35 PM, Blogger Lemony Snicket said…

    My friend's name is Jason Sprau. You probably don't know him, which might be a good thing seeing how much you like the Colts. The thing is, he was born in Chicago.

    Dan

     

  • At 2:00 PM, Blogger HeatherKessler said…

    Adding on to what Heather said about coach Dungy after the game him and coach Lovey (Bears Coach) came and congratulated each other. You would never see that in any other sport especially basketball which is getting ridiculuos. But that's another subject. But after the game the Colts kept on saying how they won it as a team and how they owe it to God. Which might be a different god we don't know unless we talkto them. Oh and Heather I don't think that Manning should have necesarily have gotten the MVP It should have been Sanders, Saturday, or Addai. but all well
    Oee also people don't need sports to make them lazy and drunk if they want to they'll do it with or without a ballgame.

     

  • At 2:21 PM, Blogger Oee said…

    Well here's a question would they still be thanking God if they had lost?
    And do they stop people when they bow down to the players? They didn't last time.

    Oh and about the hangover some people actually have a two hour delay monday morning from work so that they can get over thier hangover. And some school actually have a two hour delay.

     

  • At 2:22 PM, Blogger Oee said…

    Well I haven't watched a football game for a while but the last time I did people were bowing down to the players.

     

  • At 2:40 PM, Blogger HeatherKessler said…

    Oee our culture takes it over board i agree and some people do worship them.
    but what about those others who like football or any sport and just has fun and takes it into moderation. Also people don't just worship the Colts players they will worship any team. And it's not necesslarly the teams fault. Yes, they can ask them to stop or tell them, but that won't necassaraly stop them from doing it. So you can't blame it totally on any team.

    Plus Tony Dungee is a absolute Christian he lost his son last year through suicide and him and his team were talking and praying with and about God. So there's two times one happy and thankful one sad and pleading for help where they turned to GOD.

     

  • At 3:09 PM, Blogger Lemony Snicket said…

    Definition
    Colt: Son of a Donkey

    -Football is ridiculous! We pay guys millions just to throw a ball and knock eachother down. In my opinion that's not work and as it says in the Bible "He who does not work, neither let him eat." And even if you don't wake up with a hangover look at what this has done to Heather G.!
    -It's easy to thank God after you've won a game, but they're playing on the Lord's day! That's definitly not in line with the RPCNA's theology! They may thank God, but they aren't respecting Him very much!

    Sam

    PS. That thing about the coaches congradulating eachother isn't exclusive to football. You'd find at least ten times as much respect for opponennts in fencing.

     

  • At 6:21 PM, Blogger HeatherKessler said…

    ok guys if you don't like football in the first place then there's no point in even discussing it because we're never going to agree.
    Now about your Sun. thing we don't get a say in it. They probably don't get a say in it. My dad was giving us a speech about how to honor the Lord's Day and still have fun with football.
    Also I think it is work they probably do get paid to much. they have to work very very hard everyday to get passes and throw well. And not everybody can do that like us could we go out there and do what they did at the Super Bowl?
    Tony Dungee is a firm beleiver he has the corage and boldness not just to say God in the crowd but also The Lord. No other religion uses The Lord to describe their god.
    And your so called 'definition' of the Colts is completely and totally not true!!!!!!!
    But back to the beginning if you don't like fotball then there is no point in talking about it.
    Still having a friendly debate,
    Heather

     

  • At 8:20 PM, Blogger Oee said…

    There is a definition between work and excersice.
    Now those guys are excersiceing there really just playing a game they're not helping the community.
    Oh and that one coach do think he would have gone to church that sunday. He doesn't seem like a very firm beiliver from what you've told me.

    And thank you Sam for your comment.

     

  • At 5:25 AM, Blogger HeatherKessler said…

    Guys they are working. why? Because they spend hours out on the field training, lifting weights, and they spend time mentally training for this. It is work!! I will never make you understand if you don't even like football to begin with. So tell me right now if you like football enough to make me want to continue in this discussion.
    Guys is this just your opinion or do you think that there is actuall sin involved. Besides the playing on Sunday. And if so be spucific.
    So I'll talk to you later today to talk about this.

     

  • At 7:03 AM, Blogger Gabriella Reed said…

    okay..... like i said earlier. i agree with heather and i would like to know if you think this is actual sin or if this is just your oppinion.
    here's my oppinion-
    they have no choice in the dates or times of games, and they DO honor God when they lose. what they do during the week is work, how else to they get so strong? and like coach tony dungee said, they (the team) will help out the people in florida who were hit by the tornado/hurricane. i think thats a public service. they can't effectively tell a crowd to stop worshiping them. and i haven't seen one nut out on the feild like that- never in my entire life of watching and understanding football. i think that tony dungee is glorifying God in all this. what other coach- let alone ANYONE- has said God's name (without taking it in vain) on national television? even thanking Him and giving Him the credit for their victory.

    okay guys, seriously, if we want any certainties we'll have to go to manning's house and ask him. why don't we make that a kind of feild trip!-lol-.... yeah.....

    THIS IS THE FIRST SNOW DAY I HAVE EVER HAD IN MY ENTIRE LIFE!!!!!!!!! i am SO excited! i know oee shares my exuberance, anyone else?

    Heather G.

     

  • At 7:07 AM, Blogger Gabriella Reed said…

    o yes and sam, a colt is also the son of a horse- a noble creature of which has taken its owner into battles, saved them with swift retreats, and advanced in victory. i think thats pretty accurate.... or at least more accurate than yours.... sheesh.

    and i BEG your pardon? the superbowl has done nothing to me except brighten my week.

     

  • At 7:32 AM, Blogger Lemony Snicket said…

    OK, I think it's time I posted something...
    I accept your point that these guys are working. But that means that they are not keeping the Sabbath, because the fourth commandment says that there shall be NO work done on the Sabbath (except those acts that constitute deeds of necessity or mercy).

    Besides, sports-people may claim to be Christians, but by playing on Sunday and letting themselves be worshiped, they are not acting like Christians. "A bad tree cannot bear good fruit, nor can a good tree bear bad fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire." That doesn't mean that Christians never sin, but these guys don't have an excuse for violating the Lord's Day.

    Dan

    PS. Sam's definition does not apply literally to the Colts team. And I am NOT that exuberant about the snow day.

     

  • At 7:55 AM, Blogger Lemony Snicket said…

    Okeeday,
    -First, I do like football but that doesn't mean it isn't rediculous.
    -Second, running arround trowing a ball and knocking other people down isn't work, it's a game. Ask any American what football is and I'll bet they won't say it's an honest line of work, they'll say it's a game. We are paying people millions of dollars to play a game. Would you pay someone a million dollars if they spent all their time getting better at video games? Are you sure? What if they could beat any game you handed to them in one hour? That takes a lot of quick thinking, hand-eye cordination, and definitly a LOT of practice. But that's ridiculous! No matter how good someone is at video games we aren't going to pay them a thin dime to do it; but that's exactly what we're doing with football players! So there's some physical stregnth involved; would you pay someone to work out at the gym?
    -Third, here's the trap. Either I win the second point, or I win this point. If football IS work, then the players are working on the Lord's day! This is expressly forbiden in the fourth commandment.
    -Fourth, the players can tell the fans not to worship them. If they haven't, there's a major problem. Mabey it wouldn't make any difference if they said anything, but if they're comfortabal with it there's a problem.
    -Fifth, a true Christian wouldn't work on the Lord's day. Pick your poison, either thay're breaking the Sabbath, or they a bunch of bums who are paid to play.

    Sam

    PS. SNOW DAY!! YEAH!! (I still have to work)

     

  • At 8:00 AM, Blogger Lemony Snicket said…

    Clarification

    The fifth point doesn't mean that they aren't Christians, just that they're breaking the Lord's day.

    Sam

     

  • At 8:02 AM, Blogger Gabriella Reed said…

    okay guys, i'm gonna have to sit out on this one. i don't believe that it is wrong to work on sunday unless it interferes with church. this is my belief and since i am not that knowledgable in apologetics i request that you don't question me. thanks,

    Heather G.

     

  • At 9:18 AM, Blogger Oee said…

    Yeah I was just going to clarify that for every one that Heather bieleves the fourth commandment was taken away in the new testament.

    Sam - I would just like to mention that over in Japan there are factories were really good video game people get payed for playing. It goes like this if I can't pass a certain level then I will pay some one else in this factory like 400 dolors to play for me.
    g2g bye

     

  • At 9:32 AM, Blogger Oee said…

    Oh and one more thing they are taking money from the tax payers so that they can make their stupid new stadium. And their old one isn't that bad.

     

  • At 11:13 AM, Blogger Lemony Snicket said…

    Sooo...Do I consider the argument won?

    Sam

     

  • At 1:13 PM, Blogger Gabriella Reed said…

    sure.... but my oppinion still stands.-hehehe-

     

  • At 1:14 PM, Blogger Gabriella Reed said…

    o yes, and does anyone know what our homework is for our classes?

     

  • At 1:43 PM, Blogger Lemony Snicket said…

    Well, Heather...
    The Bible says that you shouldn't do ANY work on the Sabbath, whether it interferes with church or not, except for deeds of necessity and mercy.

    Dan

     

  • At 6:03 AM, Blogger HeatherKessler said…

    Sam- you sin i know you do. And you probably have sins that you struggle with. You do suffer with your relationship from God but it does not cut you off from His salvation. These guys I'm guessing probably struggle with this. But that does not make them any less of a Christian. If one of your sins was publicly known and people then said you weren't a Christian or not a good one because of that sin would you honestly agree with them.

    And your little thing about paying too much money. That's not their fault. It is a business the guys in that depatment will higher the prices so it's still reasonable for the people but they still get a profit. The people are the ones who make this thing happen. Without fans who go and support their team they would be no where. THE FANS ARE KEY HERE.
    Still trying to make this friendly,
    Heather

     

  • At 6:19 AM, Blogger HeatherKessler said…

    Dan- about them wanting to be worshipped. First have you ever seen first hand any of them being worshipped.
    Secondly- I was watching them enter Indianapolis, and they were enjoing it as much as everyone else. They were wearing blue jeans and sweatshirts that everybody else wore. First there was a little parade were they were on floats and people got to see them fist hand. They had video cameras, shaking peoples hands, not at all wanting to be thought of as gods.
    Then they went inside the dome. where more fans were and they went and gave some speeches. They had cameras and were just taking it all in. There speeches were very humble they were thanking the fans who made it all happen, and also they were saying how they did it AS A TEAM no one was going off and saying I made it all happen look at me and how good I am. NONE ABSOLUTELY NONE OF THAT was going on. And they took shots with the fans and NONE of them was bowing and worshiping them.
    Heather

     

  • At 6:20 AM, Blogger HeatherKessler said…

    Sorry about those two long comments but i had to put my belief out there
    Heahter

     

  • At 7:54 AM, Blogger Gabriella Reed said…

    very well said Heather..... come on guys, we need a nick-name for Heather K!

    H.H.

     

  • At 10:00 AM, Blogger Lemony Snicket said…

    -I never claimed these guys weren't Christians. But they're violating one of the ten commandments in a very odvious manner. Yeah there's sin in my life, but it's my responsabilite, with God's help, to try to overcome that sin. No one in the football community is doing anything about this. If the players don't play, there's no game. All these guys have to do is refuse to play on the Lord's day. That simple. Sure you lose fame and fortune but you've gotten rid of some sin in your life. Good trade, right?
    -I admit that it's mostly the fans' fault that the players get paid so much, but the question is, should we be giving attention and support to an activity that is, essentially, breaking God's law?

    Sam

     

  • At 10:50 AM, Blogger Oee said…

    Ok when you sin you repent and what follows repentence? Change now are these guys changing. I don't see a change.

     

  • At 11:30 AM, Blogger HeatherKessler said…

    Guys I cannot fend for these guys about their sinning life except for what I already said. But I still say some of those guys are STILL FIRM BELIEVERS. And I will continue to watch and support them and even hopefully go to some of their games on Monday night and nothing that you say can stop me or make me feel guilty about what I've already said and done.
    I am not going to change your mind and you obviously are not going to change mine. So let's beleive what we want to believe and call it quits before relationships go down the tubes.
    But if you still want to debate I am ready.
    Your friend,
    Heather

     

  • At 12:52 PM, Blogger Lemony Snicket said…

    Well, those guys may be Christians, but they're inconsistent in some points. It is possible to be a Christian and yet hold inconsistent values. For instance, as Reformed Presbyterians we reject Martin Luther's teaching on the nature of Communion as incorrect. Some people can be more inconsistent than others, like playing pro football on Sunday, but if they truly believe, God's grace covers their inconsistencies.

    Dan

     

  • At 1:11 PM, Blogger HeatherKessler said…

    I agree completely with Dan statement.
    Heather

     

  • At 5:06 AM, Blogger HeatherKessler said…

    Oee and Sam if you want to be consistant about what you're saying than you should not watch movies that had any filming done on Sunday. Because in order to film on Sunday's they would be working and they're breaking the 4th commandment. Also you shouldn't listen to any music that was recorded on Sunday. You should research the movie or song just to be safe.

     

  • At 5:15 AM, Blogger HeatherKessler said…

    Also the NFL makes it obvious that they are playing on Sunday. But of movies and music and books could have been written or produced on Sunday. They just don't make it well known.
    Heather Kessler

     

  • At 7:31 AM, Blogger Lemony Snicket said…

    -Okay, now we're nit-picking. I didn't say that you were wrong to support these guys, but I want you to think about whether it is a good thing to support. We can't regulate everything we watch or listen to, but we should have some standards.
    -The biggist problem is that the players claim to be Christians but are disregarding God's law. They are basicly saying that you can be a Christian, but the Bible doesn't really matter. Sure we all have our faults, but famous people or people in the spotlight have a greater responsibility to represent Christ correctly.

    Sam

    PS. I hinkour relationship is fine since you only see me once a week.

    PPS. Debate is the art of calmly and politely takeing your opponent's argument, and smashing it into the dust of the ground; all in the love of Christ, of course.

     

  • At 8:00 AM, Blogger HeatherKessler said…

    I don't think it is wrong to support these guys and I can honestly say if I had a child I wouldn't care if one of these guys was there role model.

    But also these guys have different views about the Lord's Day and we have different views on it but the only thing the Bible says in black in white is Honor the Lord's Day
    1) We shouldn't work (except for those at hospitals and Police force)
    2) Those immediatly under us shouldn't work
    3)Honor The Lord's Day
    Now anything beyond that is your own application and you can't inforce that on others.
    1 Cor. 4:6b says 'that you may learn in us not to think beyond what is written, that none ofyou may be puffed up on behalf of one against the other.'

     

  • At 9:09 AM, Blogger Oee said…

    That's not all He says about the Lords day. He also says do the things that are of NECECITY AND MERCY.

     

  • At 11:41 AM, Blogger HeatherKessler said…

    Oee I meant that too and that is kind of what the hospitals and police force are doing it is a necessity.
    Heather

     

  • At 12:49 PM, Blogger Oee said…

    Here in America it's very plain to see that people don't obey the 4th commandment.
    Don't you just watch those players with discust that they are clearly breaking the sabath day. It's as if you were watching a bungh of guys commintin adultary, or lying to each other, or killing each other. The 4th commandment is just as imopotant as those other commandments. Why don't we get just as discusded seeing people breaking the forth cammandment as much as any other?

     

  • At 1:48 PM, Blogger HeatherKessler said…

    Guys I can only debate on something so long, and we have been debating for a long time about this. Which shows me none of us are going to change our beleifs and opinions. I know my beliefs are not going to change and I'v already set my standard or Dad set it for me. And I am obviously not going to change yours so let's call it quits and get on with our lives.
    Heather Kessler

     

  • At 5:57 AM, Blogger Lemony Snicket said…

    Heather,
    -Are you admitting that we're paying these guys millions of dollars for something that isn't work?

    Sam

     

  • At 6:08 AM, Blogger HeatherKessler said…

    No, I'm am saying that they are actually working and that this is a prospering business because of the millions of fans that are watching them.

     

  • At 10:21 AM, Blogger HeatherKessler said…

    ok maybe millions is a bit over board, but there are a lot of people watching them.
    Also I plainly say this earlier. Maybe you guys should start at the beginning and re-read it over again.
    First you guys say that the Bears should have won which I totally disagree with.
    Then you go off the subject almost completely and say that people get drunk, lazy and fat. which they would become that way if there was a Super Bowl or not.
    Then we get into to Coach Dungy and about thanking God if they lost. which I beleive they would have still thanked God. I have also heard (from valuable resources) that if Dungy does retire this year he will probably become a pastor.
    Then we talked about people worshipping the team which people might be, but neither we nor the players are responsible for that. The people who do that need to take that issue up with God.
    Next we talk about if it is work which it completely is!!!!!! So if it is work they would be working on the Lord"s Day. Yes, they are, but people have different views on the Lord"s Day and it does not matter what we say, but what God says and anything else we ADD IS OUR OWN APPLICATION and WE SHOULD NOT try to inforce it on other people. All the command says is Honor The Lord"s Day. And they probably have chaplins there that preach them the Word every week. And if you have an issue with this take it up to the Lord or else the people in charge of football. Not to me cause I cannot do anything about it.

     

  • At 10:22 AM, Blogger HeatherKessler said…

    Calm,
    Heather

     

  • At 9:27 AM, Blogger Lemony Snicket said…

    "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six day you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work!" Exodus 20:8-10a.
    -Heather, you have made it very clear that you think the football players are working. From what God said, that means they are breaking the Lord's day. I'm not imposing my aplication on you, wether you watch football on Sunday or not is your choice, but my question is: Should we be supporting people who openly break God's law every year? God put this on par with murder, what does that mean to you? All Jesus allowed was deeds of necessity and acts of mercy, nothing about "work" that does nothing but entertain people.
    -In my opinion, the players aren't working and this wouldn't apply. What I'm doing is showing you the consequences of what you think. If you chooes to watch football on Sunay, that's fine; but unless you change your arguments, you are supporting men who are breaking God's law.

    Sam

     

  • At 10:53 AM, Blogger HeatherKessler said…

    I do think it is work. They are breaking the Sabbath, but I'm not the one who is supposed to judge them. Also I do not watch them every week actually almost never, unless the Moores are here and they start watching then I will join. I will also check the score but that is it.
    Heather

     

  • At 12:43 PM, Blogger Gabriella Reed said…

    o my goodness.... this is the most comments we've had on a post!

     

  • At 6:42 AM, Blogger Oee said…

    Really I didnt' know that.

     

  • At 7:16 AM, Blogger Lemony Snicket said…

    Ok, so what makes playing football work?

     

  • At 4:35 AM, Blogger HeatherKessler said…

    Sam I have a question for you. If a person plays the piano for a living, is that considered work? Why or why not?
    Their in the entertainment part of work. And they get payed to do it. It is a business just like making movies or playing music.

     

  • At 7:01 AM, Blogger Lemony Snicket said…

    -I would disagree. Playing an insterment for a living is something that requires practice and a lot of skill. But more importantly, it reveals something about God. Beautiful music is glorifying God, simply because it is beautiful. Movie-makeing is a tool just like writting a book. You can express ideas and truths through a movie, and influence a culture you otherwise wouldn't have acsess to.
    -Football, on the other hand, consists mainly of knocking other people down and catching a ball. The only skills involved are hand-eye cordination and haveing biceps roughly the size of Vermont.

    Sam

    PS. Rap isn't music and rappers should learn to do some real work.

     

  • At 2:26 PM, Blogger HeatherKessler said…

    That is your OPINION you can never prove that. Your answer to me sounds like you don't like football at all. And you can serve God by playing football just as much as playing an instrument.

     

  • At 7:29 AM, Blogger Lemony Snicket said…

    Not so. Music is an art, and art is defined as a composition of some sort that reflects beauty and order. And since beauty and order are God's handiwork, playing the piano reflects God's character (except for some newer pieces that don't make any musical sense).

    Yes, you might be able to serve God by playing football. But football is not an art; it does not reflect beauty and order by its existence. And it is a potentially dangerous sport at that; in fact, people have died on account of playing football. So it's more profitable to glorify God through beautiful art than to pound up other people in a game where, as Nikita Krushchev puts it, "all get up, all fall down."

    Dan

     

  • At 7:35 AM, Blogger Lemony Snicket said…

    -Also Heather, you have yet to show me HOW one can glorify God through football.

    Sam

     

  • At 8:47 AM, Blogger HeatherKessler said…

    You guys haven't shown proved to me anything about music. Your just telling me that you don't like football. You can glorify God by doing anything (besides sinning). Whether you eat or drink or play football.
    Dan any sport has some sort of danger. Some of the healthiest people are sports players. And tell me one person who has died playing football like an accident on the field.

     

  • At 2:04 PM, Blogger Lemony Snicket said…

    It's not just accidents on the field. And it's not just deaths. Football is intrinsically designed in such a way that players in professional football leagues are almost GUARANTEED to have problems as a result of playing football.

    I mean, it's an essential part of the game for one guy to barge into another, or grab him around the knees, and somehow or other send hime toppling to the ground; and a rather heavy fall it is. That kind of rough-housing is guaranteed to ruin your knees if it happens enough.

    Lots of people have these problems as a result of playing professional football. Even Elder Bill Long had knee problems due to football excursions in his younger days. And those injuries were at least part of what contributed to his death.

    Now notice I am not condemning football as a whole. You don't run too much risk by playing a game or two of football with your friends at a party. But I am referring here specifically to PROFESSIONAL football, where even team-members may not be friends. As I said before, football essentially involves actions that can lead to serious injuries and ultimately death. Even two-hand-touch football has resulted in injury--sometimes even more serious injury than that in tackle football.

    For this reason, I believe that professional football is not a good tool with which to glorify God.

    Dan

     

  • At 2:13 PM, Blogger Lemony Snicket said…

    OK, so now you have a big long post in front of you about all the detriments of football. But now here's the other side of the story. What about music?

    Music is a language of math. That is to say, musical sounds can be explained by a precise mathematical formula. Therefore, music has intrinsic order and beauty. Music is also an art. It can be used to "paint" pictures with sounds, mimic speech patterns, or combine elements into a complex network of engineering. Therefore, at its foundation, music directly reflects aspects of God's creation.

    In contrast to football, music has no essential elements harmful to the performer or the listener. The only time music is harmful is when it is played or composed the wrong way. Banging on the piano produces a bad sound, and can potentially hurt the performer's wrists. Dissonant music, like hard rock, and music that doesn't make much sense, like John Cage pieces, can actually mess with the listener's brains, as shown by studies. So music is perfectly safe when used rightly.

    Therefore, I believe music is much better than football, both as an occupation and as a means of glorifying God.

    Dan

     

  • At 5:50 PM, Blogger HeatherKessler said…

    Your commet is all speculation, you ask anybody besides your family and music friends and you will have very few people stand behind you. Where as I can find plunty of people who agree with me.
    Even Mr. Bibby likes the Colts and football it's just a shame they play on Sunday. And I agree with him.
    Still friendly,
    Heather

     

  • At 6:02 AM, Blogger Lemony Snicket said…

    I beg your pardon. It's not just speculation; it's solid fact that music has its base in mathematics and that playing "badly" hurts the performer. It is also time-tested truth that "bad" music hurts the listener, that pro football hurts people's knees, and that two-hand-touch football usually results in worse injuries than in tackle football.

    Even so, it's still possible to enjoy a good game, no denying that; but how worthwhile it is is debatable.

    Dan

     

  • At 10:52 AM, Blogger Lemony Snicket said…

    Okay, we're getting side tracked.
    -Let's try to get a definition of work. Work should either economicly contribute to a community (what we normaly consider work) or in a meaningful way glorify God (Pastors, movie makers, ect.) Feel free to amend definition.
    -Football playing doesn't fall under my definition of work. So Heather, you either have to challange my definition, or show me how football is glorifying God in a meaningful way.

    Sam

     

  • At 1:12 PM, Blogger Lemony Snicket said…

    Even if my theories of music are skewed, there's still a big question. Can football be glorifying to God even though it essentially involves people getting hurt?

    Dan

     

  • At 3:06 PM, Blogger HeatherKessler said…

    Still the only ting you guys have proven to me is that you do not like football at all.
    Sam~ Scientific defenition of work The moving of muscels. Definition of a job- Getting paid and having a business. The Indianapolis Colts business, Baltimore Ravens business, Dallas Cowboys business, Horrible Chicago Bears business.
    Sam and Dan~ You can glorify God in whatever you do (except sin). Missionaries died glorifiying God and they still did it well.

     

  • At 4:31 AM, Blogger HeatherKessler said…

    So yes, you can still glorify God even if you get hurt or even die.
    Heather

     

  • At 6:17 AM, Blogger Lemony Snicket said…

    -Aha, but these guys are "working" on the Lords Day and therefor are sinning, which, according to you, doesn't glorify God! Therefor, if you want to say they're working you have to admitt that they aren't glorifying God.
    -I don't think we can go with the scientific definition of work, we need to think about what God ment by it. God provided for businesses i.e. normal work; occupations the explicetly glorify Him i.e. judges, kings, prophets, ect.; and for art! Look in Exodus when they're making the tabernacle, or when Solomon is building the Temple.
    -Nothing about football in there.

    Sam

     

  • At 6:23 AM, Blogger Lemony Snicket said…

    Also, dying as a missionary isn't the same thing as dying for entertainment. God told us to witness to the world and that we could expect to be persecuted and killed for it. On the other hand, God didn't command us to risk our lives and our health by playing football.

    Dan

     

  • At 7:01 PM, Blogger HeatherKessler said…

    there may by nothing in Ex., but Paul mentions athetes in the NT in what seems to be a positive light.

    Sam:
    which is it...first you argued that football was not work and now you argue about it being on the Lord's Day.

    So can football players glorify God if they play on any of the other six days? Do Christian baseball and basketball players glorify God when they play Mon. through Sat. and not on Sun.

    Dan: In your last post you seem to lump football in the entertainment field, which has been my aurgument all along
    Yours Truly,
    Heather

     

  • At 10:05 AM, Blogger Lemony Snicket said…

    There are two options; either football is legitimate work, or it is not. What Sam is doing is trying to make you admit one or the other so that he can pin your argument down.

    About football being entertainment...
    If its primary purpose is entertainment, then it is definitely not worth the injuries and death that occur on account of it.

    So you see, I'm doing the same thing. Football is either essentially entertainment, or it is essentially something else. I'm trying to make you admit one or the other so that I can pin your argument down.

    So what you have to do is prove our basic assumptions wrong. That would prove that our arguments are based on something wrong and are therefore invalid.

    Dan

     

  • At 10:13 AM, Blogger Lemony Snicket said…

    Heather,
    -You need to show me a verse that states being an athlete is legitiment work.
    -I'm saying that if, as you say, the football players are working, then thay aren't glorifying God because, as you admitted, they are breaking the Lord's day and you can't glorify God by sinning.
    -Sure they can glorify God on other days, but not on the Sabbath because that's sinning (see point above).
    -To sum it up, you either need to change your definition of work, or admitt that the players aren't glorifying God.

    Sam

     

  • At 7:19 AM, Blogger Lemony Snicket said…

    -Sorry I've been gone, I just got my wisdom teeth out.
    -Care to respond to my argument?

    Sam

     

  • At 11:23 AM, Blogger HeatherKessler said…

    Sports in and of itself is not sinful. And unless you show me a verse in the Bible I am correct.
    Heather

     

  • At 11:28 AM, Blogger HeatherKessler said…

    And the verse you did want me to write is 2 Tim. 2:5, Where it is about Christianity and it uses the examples of a farmer, a soldier, and an atlete. And Paul says nothing about being an athlete is bad.
    I do agree with you that since football is legenement work it should not be played on Sunday.
    Heather Kessler

     

  • At 7:16 AM, Blogger Lemony Snicket said…

    -The Colts only play on Sunday, right? Therefor, if you support the Colts you are supporting men who not only aren't glorifying God, but are actively sinning against him every time they play. That is the conclution you have to accept if you say they are working.
    -Only problem is, they're not working. I dissagree with your interpretation of the 2Tim. verse. Look at the context. Paul is telling Timothy to be firm in the faith, he simply uses athletics as an example of perserverence. Athletics were very popular in the Roman world so this analogy would have made sense. It does NOT mean that Paul is supporting athletics as a legitement line of work.
    -Look at my definition of work a few posts back. That is what you need to disprove, or show that athletics IS work according to the Bible.

    Sam

     

  • At 7:20 AM, Blogger Lemony Snicket said…

    PS. You said that Paul didn't say anything bad about athletics. That is proof by lack of evidence i.e. you need information that says athletics IS legitiment work, not information saying that no one has objected. Paul never condemned slave trading, does that mean it's a legitiment line of work?

    Sam

     

  • At 4:42 AM, Blogger HeatherKessler said…

    Do you think that acting is legenement work? Because both acting and sports are in entertaining. And just because they play on Sun. (which I think is wrong) doesn't mean that it cannot be legenement work.
    Heather

     

  • At 6:55 AM, Blogger Lemony Snicket said…

    -This ties directly into the other argument raging on this blog. Acting is an art, art is a legitement line of work in the Bible (see Ex. with the building of the Taberncle). There is no mention of atheletics as a line of work in the Bible. This is the reason football isn't work, not because they play on the Sabbeth. My point wiht that was that they weren't glorifying God.
    -With acting, I wouldn't go to a play that was performed on Sunday. Neither, if I was a movie actor, would I work on the Sabbeth. We can't possibly regulate when the things we used are produced, but I think it's our duty not to support work on the Sabbeth as much a possible.

     

  • At 4:33 PM, Blogger Lemony Snicket said…

    And even if football isn't legitimate work, I don't think playing, attending, or watching a professional game on Sunday is the best way to keep the Sabbath holy.

    Dan

     

  • At 2:47 PM, Blogger HeatherKessler said…

    I am no longer arguing about this subect. But this does not mean that I am forfitting and it also does not mean that you have won./ Because in order to win you have to convince either the judge or the person you are arguing with and since you haven't done either you are not the winner.
    Good-bye
    HEather Kessler

     

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